Interracial couples at Northwestern exemplify increasing tolerance nationwide

By Audrey Cheng

Published: Monday, February 20, 2012

Updated: Wednesday, February 22, 2012

INTERMARRIAGE

Meghan White/Daily senior staffer

SESP senior Alexis Harrell and Weinberg junior Anthony Iglesias have been dating for just over a year.

As acceptance of interracial marriage rises in the United States, an increasing number of mixed-race couples are tying the knot, according to a report released Thursday by the Pew Research Center.

The report, titled "The Rise of Intermarriage," was compiled after the Washington, D.C.-based think tank conducted several nationwide telephone surveys in late 2009.

"About 15 percent of all new marriages in the United States in 2010 were between spouses of a different race or ethnicity from one another, more than double the share in 1980 (6.7 percent)," according to the report.

More than four in 10 people also said intermarriage has been a change for the better in American society. Among 18-to-29-year-olds, that number was six in 10, a statistic that may be reflected among interracial couples at Northwestern.

Weinberg junior Pauline Park first started dating fellow Weinberg junior Weston Grimes in high school. Park is Korean-American and Grimes is white.

Park said although her friends accepted her interracial relationship, her parents were initially hesitant.

"I think coming from a minority, they were hoping that I would find someone that understands their culture," Park said.

She said she hasn't noticed a dramatic difference in her life while dating someone of another race.

"I've always been in both the Korean-American community and the larger community," Park said. "It would make a difference for some people because they would have to get used a whole new dynamic of people."

Weinberg junior Kyle Trimble, who is white, said he never met an Arab person before meeting his girlfriend, Daily staffer Sarah Daoud.

Trimble said he values the cultural differences between himself and Daoud, who is of Lebanese and Palestinian descent.

"Sarah is really accepting of other people's lifestyleand for me, I'm just extremely interested in learning about her family and her culture and history," Trimble said.

Trimble added that he has encountered some disapproval from members of the community.

"Sometimes we're walking somewhere and Sarah will get a sharp look or shake of the head, but there has never been anything verbal," Trimble said. "But I can't think of anybody my age in a interracial relationship that has had an issue that they've brought it to me."

Reuel Rogers, a professor of political science at NU, said research suggests growing support for interracial marriage and provides evidence that American attitudes on race have liberalized over time.

"The younger generation is certainly more open-minded about interracial marriages," Rogers said.

But Rogers added that the rise in the numbers of interracial marriage is not a solid indicator of racial progress and improvement in racial attitude.

"I think there is far too much emphasis on it because the numbers are relatively small," Rogers said. "There are more pressing issues that have to deal with racial inequality that I would rather see greater focus on. This is one indication, but it would be a mistake to take this as a sign as overall racial progress in the country, because if we look at other indicators that have more meaning for the larger swab of minority populations in this country, we can see that there are still glaring racial disparities and inequalities that we need to attend to."

McCormick freshman Jesse Zhang said although he is accepting of interracial relationships, he wouldn't want to be in one himself.

"I just believe that marrying in your own race preserves cultural identity," Zhang said. "A lot is based off of family and social customs is something that is more desirable. I would prefer to marry an Asian."

But Zhang is part of the shrinking crowd of Americans not open to choosing intermarriage — 63 percent of people surveyed said it "would be fine" if a member of their family was involved in an interracial relationship, according to the Pew study. Additionally, 35 percent of Americans say an immediate family member or close relative is currently married to someone of a different race.

As tolerance of intermarriage spreads across the country, Ald. Delores Holmes (5th) said Evanston has long been an open-minding community.

"Evanston has been a voluntary, desegregated community for years," Holmes said. "When I was the director at Family Focus in 1976, there were interracial couples then. I think people choose who they want, and I think Evanston is very accepting of that, of whoever you love, whether it's a same-sex couple or interracial couple."

Weinberg senior Naveed Heydari, who is of Persian and Ecuadorian descent, said he was attracted to his white girlfriend particularly because she is of a different race.

"I think you always look for something new that you aren't used to," Heydari said. "Growing up, going to parties of Persians, I would see a lot of Persian girls. Seeing something new made it unique to me."

He said his parents are generally accepting of his relationship, focusing more about family morals than issues of race.

Weinberg junior Anthony Iglesias, who is Latino, said his parents have also been accepting of his relationships with people of dissimilar family backgrounds from his own.

"Every relationship that I've been in, my girlfriend's background, in terms of wealth, has always been way higher than my family's class background," Iglesias said. "My parents are always very satisfied and they understand that the people that I choose to be with are acceptable by their class and race."

Iglesias also said misconceptions exist about interracial relationships.

"A lot of people have asked me about subjects that … are based upon a lot of really rigid stereotypes, but none of my relationships have really focused on race," Iglesias said. "We do have a sense that there are some people who struggle with the idea of an interracial relationship."

Overall, Heydari said communities such as NU are quite accepting of interracial couples.

"It's the new norm," he said.

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Comments

17 comments
Anonymous
Sun Feb 26 2012 15:41
Just to clarify, I identify as white and did so when I was interviewed for this article. I agree with Paul Jackson and the original anonymous posts on this thread. The people going by "Swedish" and the lost guys on this thread seem to really want something to complain about.
Anonymous
Fri Feb 24 2012 00:57
The simplification over time issue is also something that should not even exist and we should make an attempt to change in our discourse. If we use political categories to refer to people (Korean-American, German-French, Mexican-Bolivian, or more general ones like Latin American or African American) we should keep it consistent. If we talk about the color of our skin, which I think is more messy and ultimately too complex and inconsistent, we should also keep it consistent (though I would rather not label people by their skin color in the first place). Ethnic groups are perhaps more consistent categories, as long as they remain consistent.
Swedish
Thu Feb 23 2012 22:45
And just because "white" people are historically responsible for the use of the word "white" doesn't mean that it should continue today or that they can't speak out against it's use.
Swedish
Thu Feb 23 2012 22:42
Also, the use of the term "white" in today's discourse is not purely the result of "white" people still using it... as clearly demonstrated by its use in this article. And as I said before, many "white" people do know where they are from -- so I'm not blaming you or anybody for not knowing, but rather saying it should have been included in this article. I know that I and many of my other "white" friends have actually visited their relatives still living in Europe -- so this whole argument about "white" people not knowing their origins is groundless.
Swedish
Thu Feb 23 2012 22:35
Many "white" people actually do know where they are from, and in the case of this article, it would have been worthwhile to include it, even if it was as general as "of European descent" -- that's the only point trying to be made.
Paul J
Thu Feb 23 2012 15:37
Also, Caucasian does count; that's still just an antiquated replacement for 'white'.

You don't know where you're from and you were never enslaved or mass-displaced but you want to blame participants in the modern discourse as to why you don't know your history when society has made it readily available to you... don't blame me.

If you don't like being 'white'... it's called Ancestry.com; But according to your own argument since no one in your family is from the places of origin that you'd discover yourself to be from, you couldn't really claim it and 'white' is all you got. But whose fault is it that people from Europe are called white in the public societal discourse?

If you think these comments are about you; then you are white.... Be careful not to respond if it makes you angry.

Paul Jackson
Thu Feb 23 2012 15:33
Whiteness is something that "white society" constructed since the Enlightenment period.

As it stands today "whiteness" is a part of a greater story of name simplification overtime. A person whose parents immigrated here typically gets called according to the recent place of origin (e.g. 'Lebanese & Palestinian descent'). It isn't until she has kids and/or they have kids until more stale, racial terms like Arab-American, Arab, or Middle Eastern are applied and erase the specificity of the story behind the families arrival.

The same was true of Irish, Italian, German, Polish immigrants, as those who were here and were white at that time attempted to place them on the sociopolitical and socioeconomic periphery. Overtime you get pushed into the most applicable, yet stale, racial term and that for those people is white. So its actually a generational thing (how long you've been here), rather than some conspiracy to strip white people of their history... a history which dominates this countries narrative.

If you want to know about stripping people of history, ask many Native Americans and almost all African-Americans - among the few people in this discussion who cannot trace where they are from specifically to no fault of their own.

Also, you can't find 'white' on a map, but you're actually looking for 'Europe'; it's right above Africa and it might as well be called 'Whiteland'.

HOWEVER being that minority ethnic groups don't control the media, or politics, or any of the medium of societal discourse, WE are not to blame for you being called white, unless you call yourself something other than white or 'American' or 'European'... YOU are responsible for being called white.

Swedish
Thu Feb 23 2012 15:08
"White" simply describes a skin color -- "Korean-American" or "Lebanese and Palestinian" is much more descriptive. The point is that she could have used something like Canadian-American, European-American, white South African, of Swiss-German descent, etc. It's not about whether she used "AP style handbook" terms correctly... It'd be like calling anybody with dark skin "black," which misses so much of their background -- many "black" people are from Jamaica, the Caribbean, etc. not just countries in Africa. So in an article focused on interracial couples, using a term more descriptive that "white" would be more appropriate. White is a blanket term, just as black is. It just describes someone's skin color, nothing else.
Anonymous
Thu Feb 23 2012 14:22
Can I just say that the journalist used terms all listed in the AP Style Handbook as correct and proper? Eff you all.
Identity is Important
Thu Feb 23 2012 09:27
Anonymous,
Yes. Desegregated, to abolish any law, provision, or practice requiring isolation of the members of a particular race in separate units. Having lived in Evanston for years I do agree that Evanston has been desegregated. No one is always treated well, which is horrible and unacceptable, but the ignorant actions of a few do not rightly reflect the opinions of everyone.

Lastly, expressing varying opinions is essential, but when you don't do so maturely, you probably won't be shown all the respect you deserve. Therefore, if you just want to dismiss others, not elaborate on your opinions without sarcasm, and basically just be argumentative, as you have been, find a debate team to join.

Anonymous
Thu Feb 23 2012 04:56
This article, basically, sucks. I don't even know where to begin. Given that someone already talked about the stupidity of using 'white' as a category vs 'korean-american', I'd like to point out what Holmes says: "Evanston has been a voluntary, desegregated community for years." WHAT? Desegregated? ...
Identity is Important
Thu Feb 23 2012 03:22
Anonymous,
I think you may be slightly misinterpreting what is being commented on. No one, besides you, has mentioned racism because I don't think that is what "Lost White Guy" is talking about. While his comment could have been better worded, I think he is simply pointing out part of something that you, quite sarcastically, just mentioned. Minorities should indeed be specific about their cultural origin because it allows them to express their individually unique cultures. What is being pointed out here, though, is that specifying cultural origin should not be afforded just to minorities, but equally to all individuals.

For example, as "Lost American Guy" pointed out, just because you look like one ethnicity does not mean that you identify with that same culture (e.i. Asians can come from Europe and may not identify with Asian culture). In this case that person may prefer to be referred to as a mix of ethnic groups, like "Korean-American" in the article or, in the case of the European Asian, maybe "British-Chinese". Therefore, since we are all equals, everyone should be allowed to identify themselves beyond one word groups like "Asian", "Black", "White" ect. We all come from very diverse backgrounds regardless of how much melanin is in our skin.

The point of this article was to draw attention to the growing numbers of interracial couples and a way of showing how diverse these couples are, is to contrast each person's cultural background. This contrast is very effective when one person's background is detailed, like "Korean-American", and the others is not quite as specific, "White". This also allows the article to be less wordy, but that doesn't mean that the other person shouldn't have the same opportunity to express their individual background.

The original point about "find[ing] white people on this map", is that "white people" can come from a variety of places and ethnic backgrounds, just like everyone else. And while to some, it may seem mundane or even repetitive to detail the origin of someone that we can easily fit into a molds of "Asian", "Black", "White" ect. it is important that we don't. Everyone should celebrate their culture, whether considered a "minority" or not. Whether they identify themselves in cultures geographically close to one another, like a "Swiss-Irish", or geographically far from each other, like a "Korean-American". Each detail of someone makes a person who they are.

Anonymous
Thu Feb 23 2012 01:33
You're right, minorities attempting to preserve their sense of culture and traditions are the root of racism in America. Oh, wait, nevermind. That doesn't make any sense and is historically inaccurate. And, you know what, I'll give you that our social programs meant to level the playing field aren't perfect. That doesn't mean we should scrap them completely and end the crusade to create equal opportunity.

Additionally, your condensing and poorly constructed lesson on evolution and human origin might be welcome somewhere else-- but Northwestern? Really? Thanks, but no thanks.

But most of all, the thing I take issue with is your suggestion that people are wrong in celebrating their ethnicity or race. Thank you so much for letting my call myself "American" alongside your whiteness, but maybe if you were a little more openminded you'd see there are reasons to want to call yourself African other than it being interesting on account of genocide and corruption. Last I heard, Africa had other things going for it, too.

Lost American Guy
Thu Feb 23 2012 00:36
I agree with "Lost White-Guy."
Anonymous, Some people in our society feel the need to label themselves with terms that make themselves feel unique, oppressed, and ultimately to receive different treatment that may even benefit their careers/lives, solely based on their skin color. To be scientifically correct everyone is of African decent based on where humans evolved/began. Ones skin color is not the definitive factor of where they are from (whites can be from Africa, blacks from Asia, Asians from Europe, etc.) nor is race a factor when considering their potential to contribute in our society when forming out-of-date social programs.
You said minorities identify with their origin more than white people, and "for good reason?!" Again, skin color is not the definitive factor when considering "origin" and for example, why would a black person want to be labeled as "African" when he or she has earned the right to be called American and has never even been to Africa or even know if they are really from Africa, but I guess a continent plagued with genocide and corruption is a more worthy origin.
Maybe if these people in The United States identified themselves as being American there would be less of an issue, because we would all be one strong nation with out dividing into social groups based on race.
Anonymous
Wed Feb 22 2012 20:39
Lost White Guy, you suck. Minorities more often identify with their countries of origin than white people, and for good reason. What should Cheng have called Trimble? Dutch, German, Scottish, French and 1/16 Native American? Would that make you, the classically oppressed white man, feel better? And most importantly, Trimble probably identified himself to Cheng as white, which is probably also why she described him that way in the article.

Go Celebrate White History Month somewhere else. Your humor is lost on everyone who isn't you.

Anonymous
Wed Feb 22 2012 20:33
Lost White Guy, you suck. Minorities more often identify with their countries of origin than white people, and for good reason. What should Cheng have called Trimble? Dutch, German, Scottish, French and 1/16 Native American? Would that make you, the classically oppressed white man, feel better? And most importantly, Trimble probably identified himself to Cheng as white, which is probably also why she described him that way in the article.

Go celebrate White History Month somewhere else. You're humor is lost on everyone who isn't you.

Lost White Guy
Wed Feb 22 2012 17:44
Korean-American I get. "Of Lebanese and Palestinian descent," again, obvious. But what is "white"? Ah, wait, it must mean of white decent... no? If only I could find white on this map here, or maybe I need to search Google for "where are the white people." ... no luck. These white people are so illusive!
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