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Letter to the Editor: NU ought to be responsible for the fates of its workers

Published: Wednesday, November 10, 2010

Updated: Friday, November 12, 2010 01:11

We are writing as faculty members to express vigorous disagreement with The Daily's opposition to the Living Wage Campaign. The argument that Northwestern should continue to underpay its poorest workers so that they will receive federal and private assistance for which they will, you claim, otherwise be ineligible is unprincipled and paternalistic. Yet we find the argument that the invisible hand of the market will, in the event of a living wage for all, cause some workers to lose their jobs even more troubling. Northwestern is not an abstract marketplace but a real community. It is run not by an invisible hand but by real people with whom we interact daily.

The fate of our workers is up to the administration that employs them. If we, as an economic, intellectual and cultural community, hold our administration to a standard of justice for our most vulnerable members, then our administrators will support that value. If we do not, then they will not. In either case, it is we, rather than an invisible hand, who determine the fate of these members of our community. The Daily Northwestern can editorialize however it likes as to whether all of our workers deserve to be paid a living wage. But to claim that we, as faculty, administrators and paying students at this institution, are powerless to defend economic justice for all within our community is a profound mistake.

Helen Thompson, Associate Professor of English

Ivy Wilson, Associate Professor of English

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23 comments

Anonymous
Wed Dec 8 2010 01:47
pissed off alum
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pissed off alum
Mon Dec 6 2010 01:34
sam, you fail to see that the whole damn system is broken. if everyone had an equal shot at making it in america, i would agree with you, but defending a system of laws, employment practices, and that start with an unequal relationship isn't moral. are you really gonna try and tell me that when the CEO of Sodexho metaphorically sits down with the workers of Norris, to 'decide' on wages they are entering into an agreement that is 'voluntary' on both sides? even with the union involved to the best of its ability? no, the entire labor market is predicated on the fact that those in charge get to make the rules and then everyone else has to figure out how to play by them. if we don't start with morality, i think we have an obligation to fix that imbalance before we talk about 'enforced compassion'. right now we have enforced inequality.

since you seem to need graphic examples, i brought up the legacy of slavery for the reason that it is the most egregious example of a morally bankrupt system of economy, legislation, and government. its effects are still felt today in the form of wealth inequality i described. when you reduce an issue such a narrow problem (only economists should be allowed to debate this, the government is trying to take MY money), you risk losing sight of the wider issues that frame the debate. kudos to those who throughout history have had the balls to reject a messed up way of viewing the our nation...and have done something concrete to work toward life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Anonymous
Tue Nov 16 2010 03:17
There is always a solution

Is the question the answer?

Still Waiting
Mon Nov 15 2010 07:56
Helen Thompson, dear - we're still waiting for your voluntary pay cut - if you're so "morally dedicated". You're pretty brave with other people's money - aren't you.
Anonymous
Sun Nov 14 2010 23:40
I think people are losing sight of what is the most important take away from this response. It is that we as students have the power to accomplish anything. College campuses have historically been the place for social change. This is our chance to change the norms and put our two cents into the way things run around here (and by here, I mean Northwestern's campus or the whole country). Economics is not the final word; ours is. Fellow Northwestern students, as future leaders of this country, we can find new solutions. This is our time to figure out our ideal vision for the world and strive for it!
Sam
Sun Nov 14 2010 18:48
This is off-topic, but redistribution of wealth is absolutely immoral in my view, pissed off alum. Private charity isn't immoral, and any voluntary agreement between employers and employees that sets a wage rate--whether it's too high or too low--isn't immoral, but the transferring of wealth BY FORCE from one group or individual to another by a third party (i.e. the government) is unjust, and probably unconstitutional.
Don't misinterpret that stance as advocating callousness, pissed off album; it's a stance that recognizes an individual's right to be callous if he so chooses. It also recognizes that forced compassion for others isn't really compassion at all.
Anonymous
Sun Nov 14 2010 16:47
Reading through the article and the arguments in the comments, the idea that living wage will not cause people to lose their jobs is bothering me. It will absolutely cause people to lose their jobs, at the minimum there would be a loss of potential jobs. The money that would be spent on raising the wages of the workers here could instead be spent on hiring new workers. If these companies were to allocate an increased budget on wages due to the living wage, it either can hire the same number of people at the higher wage, or more people at the lower wage. I think hiring more people at the lower wage would be the better utilization of that money because it helps out people in the community who are unemployed while also providing a better service to the students and the university, for example shorter waiting time in the dining halls (keeping the sandwich line open during the weekends at sargent).
Ralks
Sun Nov 14 2010 14:24
Hey, so guy who said I was completely wrong in suggesting that one's position about the living wage is mostly based on their ideology with regards to redistribution...please read the post below this. Thanks.
pissed off alum
Sun Nov 14 2010 13:46
"weath redistribution is immoral" !!?!?!?!! this is what bothers me most. if you want to be a callous bastard then do so. but don't pull morality out to defend your position. its not moral. last time i checked none of the religions in the world say "screw the least of your brothers." practicality should never be confused with morality.

and on a practical level, i am SO sick of all these students saying they brought all this money to the school. let's be clear - your parents wrote those checks. i would argue that the students on financial aid have more of a stake in this argument because they will spend the next 10-15 years paying those loans off on their own, whereas you graduate without them. i don't really care if you want to state your opinion, but stop acting as though it was YOU who are paying the university.

lastly, inequality is passed on generation to generation. the real wealth of african americans continues to be much less than that of whites, even when they are of the same social class, earn the same amount and put the same amount in savings. why? because not that long ago they didn't make anything from their labor to pass on to their children. poverty works in a similar, though not the same, way. if we all got what we "deserve" then you would have a lot less than you do now.

END THE HATE. CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE. and most importantly, don't use morality to defend your own selfishness.

Dagny
Sat Nov 13 2010 23:05
When these profs sign a petition saying they will voluntarily take a pay reduction in order to have a minimum wage i will take them seriously, until then i cannot. They have nothing at stake, nothing to give up. If this is really injustice then do something about it, get the rest of the profs motivated to make their own sacrifice, instead of claiming an injustice that needs to be paid for by someone else. If you are members of this community, then you should also be part of the solution, not just going off spouting about what others should do.

Furthermore while it may be true that in the short term people will not be fired because the wages are very high, in the long term it is entirely possible that jobs will be reduced and phased out as people leave/retire. How many autoworkers have actually been fired in the past 30 years? And how many jobs have been lost? Just because nobody is fired doesn't mean a job hasn't been lost. If the cost of labor wasn't driven up so high by auto unions there's no doubt there would be more jobs in detroit right now. Maybe that trade off is worth it. Fewer jobs that pay better instead of more jobs that pay worse, but it's still a trade off.

I have the perfect solution to this problem. Pay students to do these jobs. I certainly would have been happy to do to these jobs when i was a student at northwestern. I've worked as a dishwasher, and in a kitchen, and scrubbing toilets/cleaning up after people, and i did it for a lot less than your so called living wage. $13 an hour is more than any of the student/work study jobs paid 4 years ago. Hire students and then we don't have to worry about underpaying people with families, or taking advantage of the underprivileged. It would fix all of the problems. Of course then everyone who currently works at northwestern would be out of a job, but at least they wouldn't be underpaid anymore.

Anonymous
Sat Nov 13 2010 16:04
@Disappointed alum, I love you
Ralks
Sat Nov 13 2010 13:38
I'm against the living wage and have made arguments against it. I'm not ignorant of those arguments or the arguments of its proponents. Yes, different methods lead to different outcomes. I raised the idea that the LWC should seek to codify workers receiving free meals, extend it to 1 dependent per day, and also apply it to non-food workers, graduating it up to a certain point at which NU white-collar employees have to pay full price. I claimed (and still do, really) that since the more fixed costs of making food (wages, keeping the building/machinery operational) are high and the incremental costs are pretty low, this would be a way to increase incremental benefits far beyond the incremental costs. It was something that I, as someone who does not support the living wage, would be willing to support because the benefits to the workers far, far outweigh the additional tuition my family would pay. I didn't say it was a complete solution to everything, only an idea- on NBN, it was laughed at not because of the costs/benefits, logistics, or something I hadn't considered, but because it wasn't a "full solution" like the living wage. So sorry, but maybe because of that it became crystal clear to me that this debate is about 90% ideology. Take for instance this letter- what constitutes a "a standard of justice for our most vulnerable members" to you? I would bet you $13.23 that there is a very strong correlation between our answers to that question and our ideal point of socioeconomic redistribution.

Sam, when I said "employment is a mutually consensual thing," I'm basically referring to a list of arguments (I've made them at some times) that basically take as their starting point "if employees do not like their job, they have the right to seek employment elsewhere." This is the sort of argument that influences how people feel about NU consenting to this $4/person/hour raise. Obviously, you're right that if NU voluntarily pays its workers what the living wage campaign seeks, then it has consented to it.

Sam
Sat Nov 13 2010 11:42
Ralks is right, but this is different than a federally-imposed minimum wage, which is immoral and really does take consent and self-determination out of employment.
The LWC isn't talking about that... they're just trying to convince NU to voluntarily raise wage rates (putting aside how practical that is considering the subcontracts). Certainly there are employers who voluntarily pay employees more than the bare minimum (remember Henry Ford's $5 day?), because higher wages do sometimes have hidden benefits... one of those benefits might be attracting better workers, but that's obviously not one of the LWC's talking points. But then again I suppose benefits/costs are irrelevant to many of these LWC advocates--yeah, maybe it's not the best thing economically, but it's *right*, and that supersedes any other argument.
I do think the sense of entitlement to rich people's money--or a rich university's money--is disgusting, especially when it ignores the fact that what's good for NU (new buildings, professors, all kinds of expenses that seem less righteous than a living wage) will ultimately create more jobs in construction, in food service, in all kinds of things. But at least no one seems to be talking about FORCING the administration to raise wages, which is where wealth-redistribution becomes immoral. If NU is convinced to raise wages voluntarily, mutual consent has been preserved.
Anonymous
Sat Nov 13 2010 04:17
@Ralks to Dissapointed -- You're ultimately wrong. Have you really read any of the arguments made by any sides? This is not a question of values. You ask anyone on campus, whether they be on LWC or the Daily Northwestern Editorial Board, and they will more than likely say they value the workers on campus and want them to be able to pay for their own food and housing and families. What's up for question is the method. Good intentions do not equal good outcomes. Reserve your "rhetorical pyrotechnics" for NBN.
Ralks to Dissapointed
Sat Nov 13 2010 03:08
You're ultimately right- all of these arguments from both sides are basically irrelevant- what ultimately determines any individual's perspective on this is what extent they believe society (well, partially general society and mostly the NU community) has an obligation to engage in open redistribution. On one side is inequal opportunities lead to inequal outcomes, diminishing marginal utility on income, and stuff like that. On the other side is moral hazard, the idea that the employment is a mutually consensual thing which is the definition of fairness, self-determination, and stuff like that.

I guess all of these arguments ultimately just distract from the real point- that in using their money to help others move from $9.50/hour to $13/hour, some people value the former group more and others value the latter group more. Though I've taken my fair share of the rhetorical pyrotechnics about his issue on both here and NBN, (well, primarily NBN, since the Daily's website is an abor...uh, abomination) I recognize that these are ultimately irrelevant to the greater point. If your ideal point of redistribution is at or above the living wage, you will favor it. If it is below the living wage, you will favor that.

Anonymous
Sat Nov 13 2010 01:10
I wish this comment section had a like button for Disappointed Alum's statement
Disappointed alum
Fri Nov 12 2010 22:41
Why does there have to be economic benefits for it to be plausible? No one advocating a living wage is saying it is economically in the best interests of the university. Obviously it will cost more money to ensure people are paid a living wage. The argument is that paying a living wage is the right thing to do. And a business with an endowment like Northwestern's should pay it.
Just because "Morty" is an economist who happens to have social justice work in his background does not mean his opinion is ultimately right. He does not support the living wage because he thinks it's ok for workers to have substandard wages. His loyalty to social justice clearly does not factor into the living wage equation or he would already have pushed for Northwestern workers to get it.
The entire university is run every year using less than 30 PERCENT of the interest earned on the NU endowment. Making sure every single subcontracted worker on campus gets a living wage still wouldn't even touch half of that interest. Sometimes it's ok to spend more money.
Sam
Fri Nov 12 2010 20:36
It's telling that we haven't heard from any Econ professors about this in the last few days. And the most important professor of all... a labor economist who can hardly be considered compassionless--Morty--has spoken out clearly about how the LWC is not good for NU.
Anonymous
Fri Nov 12 2010 20:13
Helen and Ivy, I urge you to give up your salaries for the fate of the workers. Will you?
Anonymous
Fri Nov 12 2010 18:02
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