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Liveblog: Forum on blackface and race at NU

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Published: Thursday, November 5, 2009

Updated: Sunday, November 8, 2009

6:10 p.m.: People are still shuffling into Norris' Louis Room at 6:15. Students, faculty, administrators and possible Evanston residents line the walls and sit shoulder to shoulder.

As everyone mingles and says hello to old or new friends, student leaders, including Associated Student Government President Mike McGee, survey the crowd.

 

6:15 p.m.: For Members Only Coordinator Marrion Johnson and McGee introduced themselves and thanked the forum's sponsors, Coalition of Colors, ASG and Student Affairs.

Johnson discussed the purpose of the forum: not the Halloween blackface incident but how "the actions of students ...are reflective upon the culture of Northwestern."

Two professors from the African American studies department will speak, one who will discuss the history of blackface and the other who will moderate the discussion.

"We want to use this as an opportunity," McGee said. "Have an open, honest and yet respective dialogue about those issues....really make this productive."

 

6:20 p.m.: Interim Dean of Students Burgie Howard thanked students for being here and spoke about the unintended consequences of actions.

"I know, having had conversations with people involved, that this is not what they wanted," Howard said, adding that the students were glad that a dialogue had come out of the situation.

 

6:25 p.m.: Professor Sandra Richards first said she appreciates the attention President Morton O. Schapiro has given this forum and the people who took the time to come out. She gave a brief history of blackface, mentioning that black actors were forced to blacken their faces and play a minstrel role in order to find work.

(Related: read the full text of Richards' speech)

Other ethnic groups were similarly stereotyped in the 1800s, Richards said. But as their upper mobility changed offstage, their onstage depictions changed as well.

"Because so many black people are still consigned to substandard schools...to impoverished neighborhoods... to higher rates of incarceration, blackface continues to wound," she said. "It continues to say, 'You don't belong.'"

Racial profiling and stereotypes are a problem at NU, which made last weekend's incident especially troubling, she said.

"I'm not saying that they students who blacked out meant that," she said. "But i am saying that this is what the sign reads."

 

6:45 p.m.: Professor Barnor Hesse took the stage to talk about race, applauding the diversity in the room. He said he would like to lead a dialogue on issues of race, but emphasizes that the question depends on the participants' level of interest.

"Unlike poverty, or housing, or health, or climate change, everybody's got an opinion that they think is worth listening to--no," he said. "You've got to think about it."

"It does not turn on how much you understand it... the committment is to tackling the issues."

Hesse asked students to reflect on a few questions:

  1. What does it mean?
  2. Are there any further issues connected with this? Is it symptomatic of something else?
  3. Is there an issue of race at Northwestern? How does it manifest itself? How should we talk about it?

 

6:50: A female student stood to ask whether the fact that the students were dressed up for Halloween should be taken into account.

"I think we should talk about whether (the black paint) is crucial to the costume or whether you should just leave it behind because it causes too much pain," she said.

Another student responded: "I think there's a big difference between dressing up as someone who is black and dressing in blackface... Black people aren't the color black. We have brown skin. Maybe if they were to use brown paint or something, there would be some difference."

Another student: "I think they were ignorant about it rather than malicious."

 

6:55 p.m.: The room broke into applause when a graduate student spoke about how the universities email alert system for crimes makes racism on campus worse.

"We have to look at the way this institution itself helps to exacerbate the situation," she said. "What I want to mention is these horrible blast alerts that come out across the e-mail. Who were the suspects? Two black males in their 20s. Look around--how many black males in their 20s do you see?  ... That is not disconnected from the problems of racial profiling on this campus."

She said more descriptors would make the e-mails less offensive.

"Are they tall? Are they short? Do they have hair? Do they not have hair?" she asked.

 

7:05 p.m.: A professor rose to say she would like to see more diversity in the upper levels of the faculty and administration.

"I think you have to put your money where your mouth is," she said. "Show us."

 

7:08 p.m.: A student said she sees the blackface incident as a catalyst, but mentioned a conversation with a friend who said it was "the community of color complaining again."

"It's not about the community of color complaining, it's about us saying to the community as a whole, 'This is why this is offensive,'" she said.

 

7:10 p.m.: A student said she doesn't think the color of the paint is the issue: it's that the students reduced what it is to be black down to a color.

"Just because you go to an exclusive, top-tier university doesn't mean you're smart. it doesn't mean you're educated," she said.

Another student argued that the problem could be helped with more dialogue.

"The real problem is that we don't talk amongst our friends about race," he said. "I've taken a class on African American philosophy--which will be offered next quarter--which you should take."

 

7:20 p.m.: A student made waves for saying it is more important to look to the future than focus on the past.

"If you look at everyone here, say we walked in this room and had no knowledge of our past, you'd look at me and say 'He has a darker hue than I do,' but you wouldn't think, 'he's more likely to rob a bank.,'" he said. "...I don't think we should look at the history."

There were grumbles from the audience before he finished his point.

"I'm going to tell you that you're on your own," Hesse said, to audience laughter. The student stood up and walked away from his seat.

 

7:25 p.m.:  A white freshman student said joining FMO when she came to campus has helped inspire her to learn about other cultures.

"I want to go join the Taiwanese Student Association, and I don't really know many Taiwanese people," she said. "But before I came to Evanston I didn't really know any black people either."

"I want to encourage everyone to go outside your comfort zone."

 

7:30 p.m.: A student said she didn't expect to see this response to the blackface incident.

"There's always going to be people who do things that are offensive... but what was scary for the minority population on campus was that it didn't seem like people were going to do anything about it," she said. "For people to come here (to Northwestern), we need to feel safe, and I didn't feel safe."

The fact that so many students attended the forum showed her that people do care, she said.

 

7:33 p.m.: Two students spoke about why it is important that the messages of the forum move beyond tonight's event. One problem is the attendence: although many students came out, the students argued that those who need to hear the message probably did not.

Something needs to be done beyond just discussion, one student said.

"Are we going to stay the same?" she asked. "I think that it is a disgrace that we still have to have these forums where we're really just talking to ourselves."

 

7:35 p.m.: A student challenged President Morton O. Schapiro to say how the administration plans to tackle issues of race, but Hesse said Schapiro will not speak until later in the night.

 

7:38 p.m.: A student said he would like to see his fellow black students take the lead on combatting racism on campus.

"It really isn't up to the administration to set the tone... it's up to us, the African American students," he said. "It's hard for someone else to tell your history for you."

 

7:42 p.m.: A Muslim student said she thinks the most important thing is to be open to dialogue and respond to ignorance with answers and not anger.

 

7:45 p.m.: The conversation has moved to what we should do. Hesse said he will allow two students to speak, then Schapiro.

 

7:49 p.m.: Kwanda Scott, who works for residential life, said she is the only black area coordinator and recommended students read Tim Wise's book "Between Barack and a Hard Place" and educate themselves on "white priviledge."

"It is not the oppressed people that should teach the oppressors how to end the oppression," she said. "I ask my supervisor, 'Why is it that our department doesn't look like this room?' That's white priviledge."

Hesse recommended students take African American Studies or Asian Studies courses, while one student suggested students try to get outside the NU bubble.

"I encourage you to go to the south side of Chicago and see what that culture's about," he said. "Chicago's very segregated, but it's rich in cultural history."

 


7:55 p.m.: Black students shouldn't be asked to lead the effort against racism, a student said. 

"There has to be some kind of legislation or some kind of administrative rule about how we dress for Halloween," she said, pointing to costumes based on stereotypes about other cultures.

"I'm not comfortable with that burden being on me," she said.

 

 7:58 p.m.: Some confusion over whether Schapiro will speak: Alex Sims, president of miinority empowerment group Promote 360, said it was part of the agreement for the forum that Schapiro wouldn't be put on the spot.

Hesse said Schapiro should--and will--speak.

 

8:05 p.m.: Schapiro said he hopes to see the forum as a catalyst for change on campus, and spoke about his plans for improving diversity on campus.

"I'd like to say I know the answer of what you do for next year's Halloween, but I don't," he said, mentioning restrictions with freedom of speech and behavior.

He said he agreed that crime report emails will no longer include vague descriptions that "stigmitize large numbers of people," prompting applause.

Schapiro said minority enrollment numbers should be at record numbers, calling the fact that they are not "a disgrace," he said. He said the administration would redouble their efforts at improving enrollment and curriculum to reflect diverse cultures.

Schapiro asked students not to clap at several points, arguing that they should wait until he has achieved something.

"I am the president here, and you have to hold me responsible for that," he said.

"If I can't solve those kinds of things, Northwestern deserves someone who can," he said.

"I'm holding you accountable as well. If you love this community--or if you're a part of it--go out there, put yourself in uncomfortable situations, and work toward the diversity of this school. We have a lot of work to do, and I think this is a good beginning--don't clap."

 


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47 comments
PL
Sun Nov 8 2009 21:49
I agree that the students who dressed as black characters went too far by painting their faces black. It was insensitive and made many of their fellow NU students feel mocked. However, throwing the word blackface around, especially used by media sources, is an inaccurate description. As hurtful as the incident was, you can hardly say they intentionally dressed as minstrels solely to ridicule African Americans for white people's racist entertainment. The discussion, in it's current form, does little to promote real dialogue or challenge already held beliefs.

There is nothing I believe more harmful than talking about racial attitudes as if they are black and white. I doubt there are many outright racists, who hate all members of any community indiscriminately, on this campus. I doubt there is anyone who is completely free from racial anxiety. Even using the word racist is incredibly inflammatory and offensive. I avoid discussing anything with someone who hears a differing opinion and develops the most extreme conclusion about my core beliefs. You cry "racist" or "reverse racist" and you seem like you want to shut down conversation.

The African American community has many valid points about the way they are treated on campus, but the situation is far more complex than tackling racist hatred. I'm suggesting that for our current generation in our current academic environment, prejudice is much more nuanced. I know students who are uncomfortable with race but obviously believe in equal rights and have minority friends. Do these people deserve this wave of anger and accusation? Is it not natural to feel like the "other" in a room full of any race, religion or creed? You may not feel particularly welcome or you may not even take the risk of finding out if you are, especially if one slip up means you are ignorant or a racist. You may even feel a particular race is hostile against white people in general, which is the lesson I'm sure some people learned from this whole ordeal. It's time to have a truly open dialogue about the underlying stereotypes and misunderstandings that feed race relations. This cannot be accomplished in a crowded room for a couple hours where differing viewpoints are laughed at. Some of the most meaningful experiences I've had at NU could only be accomplished through small group dialogue and a genuine effort to see other's viewpoints. Trying to understand racial attitudes other than your own can open the door less hostile race relations or at least make it clear that people from all races can have a valid opinion that does not boil down to hate.

As far as this online message board goes, making a general shoutout to "the people who are STILL racist" and thanking them for not daring to show their face at the forum is not productive. Wouldn't you want to reach out to these people and try to mend some fences? That was the point of the entire forum after all. This is the essential problem. Too many people are trying to put others into a box, where they are either racist or not depending on how much they agree with you. How often have you met a person who was just black or white? It's time to end the showdown.

Parent
Sun Nov 8 2009 21:39
I suspect this was the African American professors way of getting one of their cronies a job because the whole incident doesn't even merit attention
LAG
Sun Nov 8 2009 11:42
First off, writing everything in caps does not make what you have to say anymore intelligent, or worthwhile. The point that many people are making is that northwestern failed to create an atmosphere where people felt safe expressing their views. Hesse chastised a kid for not even saying anything that controversial. What do you suppose Hesse would have done if a white kid stood up and said i don't think this was racist, i don't think this is anymore racist than SNL cast members using black face, or Angelina Jolie using black face, and i think it is offensive to throw the term black face around to describe what happened. I think that when you use the term black face you have already put a negative spin and connotation on the events without allowing for discussion, and that unless you are willing to pick on someone bigger by petitioning against SNL, you shouldn't be picking on a couple of students who didn't mean any harm. Be honest and tell me how Hesse and the rest of the crowd would have reacted. You can say it's not your fault that nobody wanted voice a different point of view, but it's also not their fault for not feeling comfortable speaking in public. It's easy for you to stand up and say my name is blank, and i believe what is politically correct. If northwestern would be a little more accepting of minority view points maybe people would feel comfortable actually speaking publicly and you could actually have an open dialogue.
Jesse
Sun Nov 8 2009 02:42
@ LISTEN!!! - we were there, and we were laughed off. But continue to pat yourself on the back for "wanting change." The fact is, we offer change- but YOU don't want it. All we want to do is move past things that happened 70-150 years ago, but you want to remain the victim. It's time to let go.
Your name
Sun Nov 8 2009 00:13
LISTEN!!!!I IF YOU WANTED DIFFERENT VOICES AT THIS FORUM THEN YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE COME!!!INSTEAD OF VOICING YOUR OPINIONS OUT LOUD YOU'RE HIDDING BEHIND ANONYMOUS COMMENTS ON A FORUM. IT WAS OPEN TO EVERYONE BUT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED THINGS TO CHANGE CAME. THATS NOT OUR FAULT.
Jesse
Sat Nov 7 2009 11:45
Just from an outsider looking in, and reading what happened at the forum I have to say that I applaud the faculty in charge of the forum for managing to handle the situation as poorly as possible. Hesse did a disservice to the faculty, the students, the school and his community for instigating a "one sided" rather than "open" forum.
Hesse's comments were condescending and out of line. Miss Orgill's posts on here are no better. As an open forum ALL sides of the issue should have been addressed, something the people in charge obviously failed to do (personally, I believe they had no intention of doing).
It is undeniable that wearing the blackface was an insensitive and stupid act on part of the students involved, but the faculty who were assigned to do damage control seemed to have made the situation even worse.
So the question lingers, who is more at fault for problem with race relations at NU, the students who donned the blackface or the faculty who mishandled the situation? Well, we all know what the road to hell is paved with!
I would love to see another forum, and this one truly be open, where no one is afraid to speak in their because of a mocking faculty member who obviously fails at handling such situations.
Shannon
Sat Nov 7 2009 10:57
Why, oh why is everyone not acknowledging that one of the 'accused' is bi-racial. Do you suppose he is schizophrenic and forgot about his African American half in this overtly malicious act? Give me a break.
LAG
Fri Nov 6 2009 23:36
It's clear that this forum was never intended to be an open discussion. It was intended to be an opportunity for people to pat themselves on the back while discussing how open minded they are and refusing to listen to any alternative view points. I like how at the very start they say this is not about the blackface incident, and then immediately recount the history of black face.

Maybe nobody else cares, but blackface was completely different than what this kid did. It involved red lipstick, as well as a generic and steroetyped version of blacks, often as the happy slave, etc. I believe this has no more relation to putting on black makeup to portray a celebrity than wearing an Obama mask. Maybe some disagree, but it is an opinion, not either way.

If they wanted an open dialogue they never would have picked hesse to to moderate. The only thing that was demonstrated at this forum is that he is not fit to be a professor at a community college, much less a university at northwestern. His only interest was in promoting himself and his own ends, not the northwestern community. This is the reason you won't have an open discussion about race because people are afraid that they will be labeled and mocked if they speak their true thoughts in public. People like miss Orgill speak as if anything she says is the gods gospel, and anyone who disagrees is a racist who is worthy of speaking. That is why there was no dissent at the forum, and why there will never be useful race discussions as long as people like Hesse and miss Orgill are berate and intimidate people for not toeing the politically correct line.

john
Fri Nov 6 2009 22:39
wow. this is terrific. looks like a white forum online. hey schapiro! how about a white forum next week? wanna give a speech on equality. haha. this is all such bogus. how about minorities hit the books instead of the streets?
Kong
Fri Nov 6 2009 22:31
The fact that a white kid admires a black guy so much that he wants to be him for Halloween should be looked at as progress in race relations. He didn't do it to to humiliate anyone. He did it to honor a black person that he admires. This "open" forum has done nothing to help race relations.The crowd and moderator were clearly biased and unwilling to hear opposing viewpoints. Nothing will be accomplished until we have a TRULY open discussion.
Steve M.
Fri Nov 6 2009 21:41
I think there is something that everyone can agree on:
Hesse needs to be let go. Tenured or not, he's not helping already tense racial relations. He's only perpetuating the hate and ignorance.
Kong
Fri Nov 6 2009 21:26
The fact that a white kid admires a black guy so much that he wants to be him for Halloween should be looked at as progress in race relations. He didn't do it to to humiliate anyone. He did it to honor a black person that he admires. This "open" forum has done nothing to help race relations.The crowd and moderator were clearly biased and unwilling to hear opposing viewpoints. Nothing will be accomplished until we have a TRULY open discussion.
Q
Fri Nov 6 2009 19:48
Martin - I agree completely that we should abolish the favoritism geared towards minorities (and this is coming from someone who is a minority). Why? Because if I get an offer or acceptance letter, I don't want to think that it was a result of my race and not my efforts. If we want to view ourselves as equal to the white population, then we have to level out the playing field, even if it means eliminating certain advantages on our end.
question
Fri Nov 6 2009 19:41
For the record, how many people attended this event?
Martin
Fri Nov 6 2009 18:45
Not quite, Falcon. This is more a bargaining chip than a publicity stunt-- a white student dresses up in a costume that offends a minority, the minority takes this as an opportunity to call for more minority students, faculty, administrators, etc, and Schapiro is forced to play along.

Just know this: the presence of affirmative action programs places an asterisk by the name of every minority student, faculty member, and administrator at this school. Did this person really deserve admission, or was there a more qualified person who got looked over in the name of diversity? Did this faculty member deserve tenure, or is the administration simply trying to quell discontent? I have a minority friend whose parents are both surgeons- he has had more opportunities than most, yet he received a scholarship due to the color of his skin.

I think we should increase access to poor populations in higher education, but please don't do it on the basis of race. Such measures only create divides among people. Let's abolish all asterisks.

Net ID: Hawkeyes Suck
Fri Nov 6 2009 17:15
Wasn't the community forum supposed to be an open dialogue about racial issues and our different views on it? The only person to disagree with the whole audience was completely shot down. I am not surprised that most of the students who didn't think the blackface incident was a big deal didn't actually attend this "emergency townhall." Why? Nobody was going to listen to their views! Just ONE student made a point that slightly disagreed with all previous statements, and he couldn't even finish his opinion before getting completely cut off by the professor on stage and the largely condescending audience!

The guy's view sounded a bit idealistic, but it doesn't mean his view should have been so shunned that he felt the need to leave the room of 500+ attendees.

We really do live in an intolerant society. About 95% of the audience last night are not doing anything to help it.

We should have a forum on the conformity of opinion in our public discourses instead.

Lindizwe
Fri Nov 6 2009 17:07
Why exactly were my comments removed? Apparently, just like the forum transcribed above, you only want to hear from certain voices. Well done, Daily. How ridiculous!

And Janissia, it is self-righteous, intellectual braggarts who have made any sort of dialogue impossible. Who are you to decide which voices should be heard? Give me a break.

Net ID: Give me a break Orgill
Fri Nov 6 2009 15:24
Woe is me, I'm black and heard the N word once and now my ears are bleeding and I can never talk to a white person without thinking of it again. Give me a break.

How does some paint and misplaced joke make the rest of the this apathetic student population care? Who cares about AIDs in Africa, child slavery, Special Olympics, soup kitchens, tutoring inner city kids... let's have a crowded forum to complain how minorities segregate themselves from the community, thin their skin to be "offended" by every single line-crossing and "teach lessons" to people belonging to an institute of higher education.

You disappoint me, staff and students of NU.

Your name
Fri Nov 6 2009 14:42
sorry Janissia. shouldnt have called you a bitch. u just can't help that you dont have the capacity to be informed.
Janissia Orgill
Fri Nov 6 2009 14:28
only proving my point. of course the person who called me a bitch wouldn't add their name. really classy






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