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Exclusive Interview: Medill Prof. David Protess speaks on the state’s atty’s recent filing

By Lauren Kelleher

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Published: Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Updated: Wednesday, November 18, 2009

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The Illinois state attorney’s office subpoenaed grades, course materials and e-mails from Medill Prof. David Protess and his Investigative Journalism class regarding the Anthony McKinney case. Daily File Photo

In October, the Cook County state’s attorney’s office sparked controversy when it subpoenaed materials, documents and e-mails regarding the Anthony McKinney case from Medill Prof. David Protess and his Investigative Journalism class, an action which may “chill” efforts to work on future cases, Protess said. Media outlets, journalism professionals and ethics experts have debated how the students should be treated by the state of Illinois — as students, journalists or both — and how this can set a precedent for future cases. Protess spoke with The Daily about his class, which he has been teaching for almost 20 years, and the Medill Innocence Project, which has existed for about 10 years.

Daily: How does your investigative reporting class fall under the umbrella of a journalism class?

Protess: The standards and practices of the class are the same as those used by news organizations when they gather information in similar situations. It’s an experiential learning class, for learning investigative reporting by practicing it. (For) students investigating real-world murder cases involving possible wrong convictions, the sole goal is finding truth... I have adopted that for my class, and they are treated in the real world as journalists.

When they go to interview a prisoner at the Illinois Department of Corrections they are there to interview — not visit the prisoner. They are there in a professional capacity. They are given the same status by the Department that journalists get.

Daily: Is the main purpose of the course to provide evidence or to produce work that will be published?

Protess: Investigative Journalism is a one-unit elective class. The goal is to learn investigative reporting techniques. There is a separate project called the Medill Innocence Project, and that takes the work and exposes it through publication. Students are not involved in that. We have a paid staff.

Daily: What was your response to (Judge Diane Cannon’s) actions in court during the hearing?

Protess: I don’t feel comfortable making comments about the judge in the case. I believe she will end up ruling wisely, and the reason I believe this is that the law is on our side. And if we happen to lose, we will appeal.

Daily: Do you think the precedent set by the case, if it ends up going to appeal, will have more weight?

Protess: The case would have far more weight if it is appealed. In order to get it that far, she is probably going to have to hold us in contempt. A judge’s decision about a subpoena is not itself appealable.

I am prepared for every eventuality. There are no circumstances under which I will reveal my students grades or e-mails — to do so would violate federal privacy law. I will also refuse to comply with any demand to turn over unpublished information, because that would set a terrible precedent for other student journalists. We are picking up the slack because of the lack of resources nowadays to do investigative reporting.

Daily: What do you do between now and the Jan. 11 hearing? Business as usual?

Protess: The only change is that I’ve been distracted by all this. A large chunk of time has been spent dealing with this case, but it hasn’t prevented me from teaching every class, meeting with students and exchanging e-mails and phone calls with them while they are in the field. We continue to go forward and do what we’ve always done, which is to dog relentlessly until the truth emerges.

Daily: Do you see Medill Dean John Lavine or other administrators stepping in with some sort of decisive action? Do you think Medill and the University as a whole have stepped forward to support you and your students?

Protess: John Lavine has acted quite often as a spokesperson at times when I was discouraged from speaking out by my lawyers. What I found most touching was the response I got from the alums, more importantly students who worked on the McKinney case over that three-year period.

The fact that people are standing in the way shows I am touching a nerve, and that my students are doing their job holding the third branch of the government accountable.

lkelleher@u.northwestern.edu


Editor's note: The original version of this article incorrectly stated that the Illinois state's attorney's office issued the subpoena. The subpoena was issued by the Cook County state's attorney's office. The Daily regrets the error.

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9 comments

Parad E. Makewater
Fri Nov 20 2009 00:04
Good Lord, Janna, I certainly hope you aren't a "student journalist", your spelling ability leaves a lot to be desired. But then again, that should be expected in today's educational environment.
Jayson Blair
Wed Nov 18 2009 20:59
Protess: "The fact that people are standing in the way shows I am touching a nerve, and that my students are doing their job holding the third branch of the government accountable."

The fact that Medill is standing in the way shows that the State is touching a nerve, and that the Attorney's Office is doing their job holding the student journalists who might fabricate evidence accountable.

Jayson Blair
Wed Nov 18 2009 20:52
Y'all can say what you want. Dean Lavine is a fraud...for him to still have a job at one the "best" journalism schools in the county is laughable. You can't trust any "journalist" these days, especially not student "journalists". If the Innocence Project is producing legitimate evidence, then there should be no resistance in turning over notes and other materials supporting this.
Nomaan
Wed Nov 18 2009 16:17
It's worth pointing out Protess has been doing this work long before the days of Medill 2020. George Ryan imposed a moratorium on all executions in Illinois in 2000 ... or two deans ago.
Martin Berliner
Wed Nov 18 2009 15:25
Is that a comment by THE Jayson Blair? If so, anything he says should be discounted as garbage.
Janna
Wed Nov 18 2009 14:11
Clarke, good question, this could affect more than just journalists.
Jayson, wow, really? This is lead by Protess, not Lavine, and the program isn't being questioned, it's a single case that's being investigated. Please educate yourself first and then talk about classes like this and programs like the Innocent Project with more insightful commentary.
It seems to me that the opposition is trying to belittle the possition that student journalists have. I'm glad Protess is making a stand for the First Ammendment Rights of student journalists. I know the Medill Alums are having a fit over all this and are going to do everything they can to fight it be it through media, petitions or anything else you can think of. You might think journalism is a dying medium, but it's also a fiesty one.
Allison
Wed Nov 18 2009 13:06
Great article! Very insightful.
Jayson Blair
Wed Nov 18 2009 12:06
Medill is a joke. Your own dean, John Lavine, fabricates quotes and doesn't get fired. Any project led by him, including this one, should be questioned.
Clarke Caywood
Wed Nov 18 2009 03:22
I wonder what the accusations may mean to the wide range of applied, client-based classes in Medill journalism and in the Integrated Marketing Communications Department. or for the Kellogg School. The threats of chilling on policy related issues is evident, but what about the threat to student directed projects for clients like Southwest Airlines, P&G, YUM! , Aidmatrix, PNC Bank, Jockey, Kraft, Conde Nast, Leap Wireless and much much more. If real client projects in the journalism program can be invaded with intrusive inquiries can questions in all classes be far behind? One of Medill's hallmark educational advantages has been to sent students "into the field" to build professional and practical credentials.






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